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i like your tattoos what are those

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date my dad died he was a fireman died

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in a fire 17 years ago oh my god i'm so

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whatever happened in 2020 we should be

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very grateful to the powers that be

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because they have just opened the veils

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and showed us so much about the world

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and ourselves how we were tested

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that was a clip from pete davids in a

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movie the king of staten island followed

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by a brief clip from today's guest

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miguel connor

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let me let miguel finish that thought

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we're not here to be good we're here to

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be ourselves i mean we don't know who we

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yet we're all going to try to solve the

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world and we end up

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as you're saying falling into some cult

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or some political party because

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we don't know who we are and we got to

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find out what is our purpose

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what a crazy thought hey i mean what if

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that's what this is all about what if

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that's what the whole pandemic great

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a deep dive a deep spiritual dive kind

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of like the way that pete does in this

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movie of putting on the jacket and

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becoming a firefighter

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just like his dad

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people email me and they say well what

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are some gnostic practices and i said

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only you know you got to find out who

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you are what works for you and you've

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got to create a life a system a gospel

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and a myth

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that brings out your inner light i can't

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help you nobody can help you

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nobody can help you

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oh my

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but in true miguel connor fashion

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maybe he also means that everyone can

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help you we can all help each other at

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least that's one of the things i took

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out of this interview with a true

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master of deep spirituality and a great

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podcaster to boot i hope you stick

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around for this interview with miguel

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connor and check out his new book and

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also thanks you know i put a call out

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to

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tell other people about the show if you

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like the show and if you like a

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particular episode and people have

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really responded and i certainly

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appreciate that so i will say again

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if you like it give it to people that

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you know will like it too

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here's my interview with miguel connor

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex icarus

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and today we welcome miguel connor back

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to skeptico

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miguel has a new book

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10 snackable meditations

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nice little travel companion kind of

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thing and we're going to talk about it

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and we're also going to of course talk

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about miguel in general in his work he's

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the creator and host of

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just the extraordinary aeon bike gnostic

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radio which if you've listened to this

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show you know

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years and years and years and

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it just keeps getting better every time

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i listen to there's no downgrade in the

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quality of those unbelievable openings

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or the guests that he has on and the one

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of the kind interviews that really

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can only be done by someone who has

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really mastered their field and for

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miguel of course that field is

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modern-day gnosticism kind of

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popularized gnosticism but with a

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thanks so much for joining me

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always glad to be here my friend it's

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always it's always a blast and here we

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things are just getting crazier so

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what are you gonna do

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saying that because i want to talk about

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the book first but you just brought it

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i t i i got to do a little temperature

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check on you because i've heard a couple

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of your shows and you sound more

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politically although we were just

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talking about politically then i've ever

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time in 2019 i said well now this is you

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subscribers so now it's time to really

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getting more passionate or more uh

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surgical towards not not just talking

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how it can work socially today and of

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a crumbling society and obviously with

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people need to hear more and i need to

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get more out of my system what's the

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gospel of thomas famous saying if you

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bring out what is within you it will

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save you if you do not bring out what

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what is within you it will destroy you

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spaces i think rece this last year or

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everything is everything's in flux and

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everything's a sham and here we are it's

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time to move to those uh deeper spaces

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i i get that but what's most powerful

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the voice that's coming through you and

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bite gnosticism all those things that

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entrepreneurs and others something came

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the success you wanted or everything but

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of who you are what your purpose is how

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told me you need to put some you know

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wood in the fire you need to uh try to

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speak to uh the situations that are

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happening today and make this ancient

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gnosticism more relevant with 10

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snackable meditations it was kind of the

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those uh the spirit took me and i just

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weekly yoga class but those ways those

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old ways don't work i think we need

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to we need a set of spiritual

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i thought this would be helpful and it's

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anonymous they always uh

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whatever hacks if you would that'll get

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shoelace and it's so true and we all

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you're coping and the car doesn't start

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or some p or some shitty email from a

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client comes in or or your spouse is

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having a bad day and just rubs you wrong

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of course we can the kids break

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something and suddenly you are off your

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game and we live in a culture where this

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you are off your game is more and more

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prevalent i mean

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as i'm sure you've heard people like

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jordan peterson and others talking about

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these are the best times less poverty

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less war and all that we've lifted all

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these people up from poverty in the 19th

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20th century and i'm saying yeah i agree

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but

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suicide depression anxiety domestic

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violence

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it's out of control and in 2020 which

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most people or the media overlooks it's

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just getting worse so this is sort of my

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contribution that has helped me it's

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from

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hallow traditions uh various traditions

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pick the meditation that works for you

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and hopefully i will add some more as

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they go because uh i think we need these

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more than ever alex

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awesome and let's highlight two words

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snackable and meditation so one these

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might not be

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what people would expect on meta when

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they hear the term meditation

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they expect a long arduous sit

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with that firm with that firm back in

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that bamboo slap if you don't do it and

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it's uh the opposite of that and it's

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snackable here's one

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live life as if everything is rigged in

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your favor

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oh i love that

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yeah that's so that's a meditation from

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the book people i just gave one away you

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can still get them but you have to have

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the book in your pocket so you can pull

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it out and remember but tell us tell us

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about that i love that one it was

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from uh from roomie and of course the

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sufism is a form of islamic gnosticism

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and some of these are you might say how

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to reorient your brain your attitude and

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all that as quickly as possible so you

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don't just get swept away by the day's

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stress and

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flows and all the things that are going

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on today so a sort of attitude change

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can really make a difference and

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sometimes it can really

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help you or at least create a buffer

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until you hopefully will find the more

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serious stuff again you should have a

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good meditation practice that is more

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formal takes you know half an hour to an

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hour

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but to get there you can't just go into

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the i guess you could go into the work

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your works uh uh closet or bathroom and

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meditate for a half an hour i guess you

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kind of could if you were desperate but

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uh

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hacks as i call them can really help out

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i mean and

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that just that change of attitude can

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make a big difference i mean there's

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again i go back to alcoholics anonymous

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there's a saying uh when things are

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falling apart it means they're really

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coming together and as silly as stuart

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smalley as they might sound from

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saturday night live

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uh it is true because having a vision

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and seeing the bigger picture and how

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opportunity can appear when things seem

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to be closing down in certain ways can

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be really important whether it's in the

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macro of your everyday or your larger

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picture of your career we all have the

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ability to navigate and find opportunity

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and fulfill our potential

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yeah that's great you know one of the

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things i appreciated about the book and

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the meditations were you included this

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huge body of

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inspirational work that most people

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completely overlook and that's kind of

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from the entrepreneurial business

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self-development

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kind of arena and there's some great

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ones here's one from your book

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it doesn't matter what kind of day

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you're having the fact that you're

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having another day is enough to be

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grateful for now that's one we've all

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heard different versions of it i love

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that one but tell people where that came

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from because i think it's cool

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yeah is that the one for i think that's

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the one from bradley isn't it is that

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the one yeah yeah i mean and this is

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to it and he has this uh

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spiritual exercise and this guy is uh a

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sales guru he lives in vegas and all

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that but he does

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have that sensibility of using like you

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said self-help uh

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mysticism to sort of uh manage stress

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and he came up with his hack and he said

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imagine you wake up in the morning and

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somebody offers you let's say a million

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dollars

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and you're like okay that's great and he

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says how would your day go if somebody

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plopped a million dollars into your

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account or a big bag of money and most

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people will say i'm gonna have a great

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day instant you know the possibilities

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have opened the potential is open the

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mind you're you feel freer and lighter

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you're gonna go through and you're gonna

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call people like we're gonna do this and

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go on vacation and invest and

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uh you're just gonna be happier

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and then in his exercise he says well

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imagine if that person said all right

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you can have a million dollars today

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but the catch is you don't get to wake

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up tomorrow this is it you're one day

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with a million dollars

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and he then he asked well what would you

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choose and most people would say

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screw that i don't want a million

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dollars i want to wake up tomorrow i

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want the rest of my life to continue and

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then he asked in a very

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uh rhetorical way well in that case does

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that mean what's more valuable you

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waking up in the morning or a million

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dollars and that kind of makes you think

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it's like no me waking up in the morning

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is more valuable than a million dollars

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than a billion dollars and a trillion

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dollars and he proposes the question

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well why don't you act like you're

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waking up to the world is the most

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valuable thing in the world and that

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simple

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uh meditation in the morning can be a

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huge adjustment to your attitude to your

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energy and

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even to what you accomplished that day

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so these sort of little tricks and

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reorientations of the mind these little

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programming hacks

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can make a difference again they're not

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totally transformational the book tries

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to give

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i give links and

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bigger quotes and talk about these

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traditions if you so decide to choose to

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take them to help you out on your road

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and i try to kept it as varied as

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possible because

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everybody's different i assume everybody

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has a different spiritual psychological

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makeup so i have uh i have christian

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muslim new age occult uh

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all these varied traditions so that a

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person can find what works for them

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hey you just you just hit on one of my

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hot buttons i'm gonna go skeptical on

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you you walked right into it you walked

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right into miguel yeah you couldn't

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if you wouldn't have if you wouldn't

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have walked right into it i would have

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pulled you right in

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okay here's another one

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lord i offer this sacrifice to you for

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and then for the person

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god had once here's another one god had

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one sin on earth without sin but no one

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without suffering so yeah no no

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i ain't buying it i mean no here's my

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point diversity is overrated like i just

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had this thing the other day and i don't

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know if i uh who i offended on in this

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one but it's like no i don't respect

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your beliefs

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of public opinion i mean i'm not going

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to go

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you know

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barricade your house or throw firebombs

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at you but no i if you're a mormon if

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you're a scientologist if you're a

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mooney i just interviewed great guy i

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love the guy 30 years of mooney

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no no no no i don't respect your beliefs

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if you're christian i was gonna say

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fundamentals christian but that's just

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passing it off no i don't necessarily

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respect your beliefs and as a matter of

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fact this quote that you've given

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in a lot of ways so it might connect

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with some people and that's what i hear

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you saying kind of smorgasbord style so

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let me turn this into a question

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from uh

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a on bite gnostic

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toughness because there's a certain

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toughness to the gnosis and willing to

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face the fight the challenge head-on

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and i want to hear that uh there's one

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son on earth without sin wait a minute

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how did how do you know that that that's

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that is

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quotes in a way that i think we need to

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at least be explicit if somebody buys

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into that fine but no i i don't i don't

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i don't know that that god had one son

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on earth without sin i don't know that

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yeah i mean uh in a way

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between us and your audience it is a bit

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sneaky because augustine is a former

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gnostic he was a gnostic

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but he found he couldn't uh it didn't

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give him the structure that he wanted in

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other words he couldn't uh it could help

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him keep his dick in his pants

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so he went from gnosticism to uh

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catholicism or orthodox

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and he found the structure there but he

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even to the day he died he was accused

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of mixing in neoplatonic agnostic ideas

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into his form of christianity and i find

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a lot of his writings really beautiful

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and inspirational i just think he was he

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was searching as far as the suffering

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goes i mean it is true uh

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suffering is uh definitely for everybody

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and by the suffering i mean in buddhism

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what do you call it you call it

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suffering buddha saduka which is like a

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wheel that's always sort of loose when

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you're pulling the card it's very like

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morpheus says in the matrix you know

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there's something wrong with the world

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you don't know what it is it's like a

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splinter in your mind driving you mad i

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think that's what the buddha we all know

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there's something wrong i think 2021 and

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2020 stressed that and we don't know

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what to do we're really uncomfortable in

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our skin and our minds so that's what he

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was referring to as uh

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as suffering and uh um obviously

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everybody suffers because life brings

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you what life brings you so um i don't

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know why i got into that tangent about

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you that wasn't that wasn't a tangent i

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was pulling you into the deep waters and

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as usual you swim you swim with no

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problem to the side of the pool no

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matter where i pull you but i'll i'll

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follow up on that

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i love the business quote like i said

553
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,480
one of the most then uh

554
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,280
tim grimes who is a fantastic uh i loved

555
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,039
him and he was on the show recently to

556
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:51,039
talk about his book the joy of not

557
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,080
thinking which is very non-dual and very

558
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,679
in keeping with this conversation we're

559
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,280
having but

560
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,799
he turned me on to the fact that

561
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,799
napoleon hill of course one of the most

562
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,640
famous foundational business writers of

563
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,559
all time authored think and grow rich

564
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,559
which became the kind of seminal book

565
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,280
that everyone's built off of scam artist

566
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,559
complete scam artist

567
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,360
and they go back and they retrace his

568
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,360
history and he's a scoundrel from the

569
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,200
beginning all the stuff he's doing he's

570
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:22,159
trying to do this business scam and you

571
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,960
know

572
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,520
leaving abandoning this child in this

573
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,799
state and moving to another just

574
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,440
and like when we move into the spiritual

575
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,000
realm we find that or the people who are

576
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,720
trying to co-op spirituality we find the

577
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,280
same thing you know the david koresh is

578
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,679
the example i've been using lately of

579
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,240
course the branch davidian waco thing

580
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,240
it's a little bit past maybe what some

581
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,320
people remember but

582
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,000
i just stumbled across this little

583
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,480
factoid that one one of the ways that

584
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,799
david koresh really

585
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,520
kind of hoodwinked all these good honest

586
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,760
christians was he had this incredible

587
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,000
photographic memory and had virtually

588
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,520
memorized the bible so he could spew out

589
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,919
scripture just boom boom boom off the

590
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,200
top of his head

591
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,640
so what he also like to do is

592
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,360
12 year old and 13 year old girls

593
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,360
so combine those

594
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,590
combine those two interests and

595
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,919
and uh what he had was

596
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,159
he would go to these people that he

597
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,159
would lure to his little compound as

598
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,559
this kind of great you know commune and

599
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,960
stuff like that and he'd say look

600
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,280
i tell you what i've talked to the man

601
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,360
and jesus has told me i need to have a

602
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,000
thousand wives and i need to really kind

603
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,720
of start this whole new thing

604
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,400
and you know what i'm checking out your

605
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,400
daughter over there i think she'd be i

606
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,279
think she'd be right in one of jesus's

607
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,360
flock here right from the beginning she

608
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:55,840
ought to be one of my wives and he had

609
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:58,799
many many of these

610
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:02,240
very young teenage girl wives you know

611
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:03,360
and

612
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,480
you know we all hear oh my they crammed

613
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,960
well it wasn't such a great place and

614
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,240
they probably didn't handle it well but

615
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,880
the point the point is the sage on the

616
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,240
stage

617
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,159
it's like a conversation we had before

618
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,960
sp and what i think and bite is about

619
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,960
and what you are about is

620
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,520
spiritual disintermediation

621
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,799
you don't need david koresh to tell you

622
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,960
about your spiritual experience to

623
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,640
reinterpret it

624
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,120
and we don't need christianity to do

625
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,960
that and we don't need their book that

626
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,240
people can

627
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,000
memorize and no matter who it is and we

628
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:41,679
don't need

629
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,440
you know uh osha up in oregon in his

630
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,720
cult

631
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,750
we don't need any of those guys uh is

632
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,520
that no it's not ocean what is it it's

633
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:56,559
uh

634
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,600
so

635
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:04,799
the the you know do we have to be

636
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,159
where do we draw that line you know so

637
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,400
how do you do that how do you balance

638
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:11,919
the

639
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,039
ten snackable meditations smorgasbord

640
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,880
find what you like

641
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,720
write your own gospel

642
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,640
create your own

643
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,039
myth which is so beautiful

644
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,480
with

645
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,039
don't be a chump i mean be be looking

646
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,960
out for people who are going to try and

647
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,640
co-opt your

648
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,120
spiritual experience and i think that's

649
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,120
also very much in keeping with what

650
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,640
we're talking about with what's going on

651
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,360
in the last couple years

652
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,919
yeah i think that's well said alex uh i

653
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:44,720
always tell people

654
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,000
that we are all points of light

655
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,400
trying to on a journey passing each

656
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,279
other by inspiring each other

657
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,279
and that's the attitude it should be you

658
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,600
shouldn't have any sort of guru or

659
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,279
anything like that

660
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,799
at the end of the day it's your

661
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:03,679
salvation your unique journey

662
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,400
and you are there to inspire others and

663
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,640
then move on in your journey just as

664
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,960
others should inspire you and you know

665
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,120
the passing ships in the night i think

666
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,120
that's the that's definitely the best

667
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,960
attitude to have create your own

668
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,600
narrative to life don't let others

669
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,240
write those because if we're in a stage

670
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,880
where reality is gonna disappoint us

671
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,200
sorry but every single human being out

672
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,600
there is gonna disappoint us and what

673
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,520
can be weaponized

674
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,000
will be weaponized or is already

675
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:36,960
weaponized if the roman empire had a

676
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,559
complete lockdown on everything same

677
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,559
with the today with the american empire

678
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,039
and the cia i mean i've gone through

679
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,799
that journey

680
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,200
a writer who i love gabrielle garcia

681
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,760
marquez you know the famous communist

682
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,440
that was banned from coming into the

683
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:56,880
united states on the cia payroll frank

684
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,760
zappa remember mr i'm going to fight tip

685
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,080
or gore for free speech and

686
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,120
we were us gen x we're like all right

687
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,520
yeah we got to defend oh military

688
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:09,960
intelligence and you go i mean you can

689
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,600
pythagoras was probably a spy for some

690
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,840
government i mean it's this is the world

691
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,240
we live in what can be weaponized has

692
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,880
already been weaponized so you need to

693
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,440
know this and accept this and find your

694
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,520
own inner light because

695
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,760
that's just the it's just the way it is

696
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,760
what's the saying if it can be destroyed

697
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,159
by the truth and it deserves to be

698
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,240
destroyed by the truth but that doesn't

699
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,640
change the game of your awakening your

700
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,279
awakening is still the most important

701
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,520
thing that you will have your

702
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,320
self-knowledge and who these people and

703
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,120
gurus and what they corrupt and destroy

704
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,960
really has nothing to do with it and you

705
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,200
can move on again with ten snackable

706
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:53,679
meditations move on to the next slide

707
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,200
and get inspired and move away uh even

708
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,799
the buddhists say if you see the buddha

709
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,120
on the road kill him i always say same

710
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,240
with jesus same with your heroes same

711
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,919
with your parents and you know

712
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,840
metaphoric you know i'm not saying

713
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,200
literally but

714
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,559
kill them also

715
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,039
it's your road it's your road man

716
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,279
uh oh just so

717
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,880
inspirationally

718
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,039
said and uh you know the parents thing

719
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,120
to me is like the way that i hear you

720
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,600
saying that is like if you

721
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,360
i was just having this conversation uh

722
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:27,200
with my friend mark palmer and his

723
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,240
podcast

724
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,399
my family thinks i'm crazy and we were

725
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,000
talking about

726
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,799
just how how difficult this path is any

727
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,200
path that is a spiritual path that is

728
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,360
truly this trying to tap into the inner

729
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,720
part and

730
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,840
when you walk into the

731
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,000
and you have the divine and it comes

732
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,679
through the trees and you never thought

733
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,279
you'd experience it and you experienced

734
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,000
love like you've never had before

735
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:54,399
and then you come home and mom and dad

736
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,919
say oh no son oh no honey that's not

737
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,640
what we believe we don't believe that

738
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,799
and then you go oh we we don't believe

739
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,960
that mom and dad mom and dad are good

740
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,880
people and i know they're good people

741
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,840
and grandma and grandpa are good people

742
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,919
they all believe that that's not that my

743
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:14,320
experience is not good not

744
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,360
that's

745
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,360
the buddha that you're talking about

746
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,760
that needs to be

747
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,240
we need to step over that buddha and get

748
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,000
to the other side which maybe brings me

749
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,000
to the the final uh quote that i was

750
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,760
going to tee up to people from 10

751
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:29,600
snackable meditations

752
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,669
this is not a battle of good versus evil

753
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,559
this is a battle of you

754
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,440
versus lack of you

755
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,120
that's what you were saying i think so

756
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,039
talk about that as we

757
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,720
finish talking about yeah that's uh

758
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,279
that's from james true which is his book

759
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,000
best apocalypse ever how we should

760
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,399
whatever happened in 2020 we should be

761
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,960
very grateful to the powers that be

762
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,520
because they have just opened the veils

763
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,520
and showed us so much about the world

764
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,320
and ourselves how we were tested

765
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,360
so i certainly agree with that point and

766
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,200
it is true because

767
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,120
we are here

768
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,960
that's what carl jung said and it's a

769
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,279
book too we're not here to be good we're

770
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,520
here to be ourselves i mean we don't

771
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,240
know who we are yet we're all gonna try

772
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,039
to solve the world and we end up

773
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,279
as you're saying falling into some cult

774
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,080
or some political party because

775
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,760
we don't know who we are and we gotta

776
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,320
find out what is our purpose who are we

777
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,919
and there's so many layers of

778
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,320
programming and that we have to

779
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,799
go through when that happens is i tell

780
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,000
people once you start waking up uh what

781
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,559
did anthony demelo said spirituality is

782
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,120
waking up and clark emery the famous

783
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,440
buddhist scholar said the awakening of

784
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,000
an individual is a cosmic event

785
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,399
once you find out who you are

786
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:58,880
then the answers will come in a very

787
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,000
silent automatic way you'll find like me

788
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,640
doing 10 snackable meditations or am

789
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,279
bite it just it comes to you and you go

790
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,840
with it and it's beyond your egoic

791
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,840
constructed self i mean you're talking

792
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,760
about parents and

793
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,880
i know i can blame my parents but

794
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:18,960
my programming certainly did a lot of

795
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,480
damage to my kids i remember a union guy

796
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,720
saying uh the parent's job is to break

797
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,720
the souls of our children and i'd be

798
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,720
like oh that's crazy but it is true like

799
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:30,159
school

800
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,000
something wrong with this like a

801
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,279
splintering in my mind driving me crazy

802
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,120
and but i thought well i got to send my

803
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,600
kids to school and i did but then you

804
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,159
start realizing wait a second school is

805
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,159
just like a prison and there's memes on

806
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,960
the internet right the bus the cafeteria

807
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,120
the the what the architecture and you go

808
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,679
holy schools are prisons it's a

809
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,200
place to dehumanize our children and

810
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,760
programming and stop their potential

811
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,679
it's nothing like the waldorf schools or

812
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,200
anything like that and

813
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,279
with my first marriage i send my kids to

814
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,880
school but in this marriage it's like

815
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,799
they are completely homeschooled and

816
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,399
they're obviously

817
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,880
mentally academically all that they're

818
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,200
far ahead of kids that go to school at

819
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,960
least here in illinois i can't judge

820
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,559
anywhere else so

821
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,000
uh yeah find out who you are that is the

822
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:24,640
great uh rebellion finding out who you

823
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,679
are is what they whoever they are don't

824
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,840
want you to find out and that's where

825
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,159
you find out your purpose your peace and

826
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,399
all that so that's the journey i

827
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,080
certainly advise to people instead of

828
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:38,640
trying to go out and change the world or

829
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,919
assimilate to some system or religion or

830
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,159
anything like that as you can see alex

831
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,640
i'd be the worst guru in the world i

832
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,799
would never make any

833
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,360
not good at it because people email me

834
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,360
and they say well what are some gnostic

835
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,960
practices and i said well only you know

836
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,880
you got to find out who you are what

837
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:01,679
works for you and you've got to create a

838
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,640
life a system a gospel and a myth

839
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,039
that brings out your inner light i can't

840
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,159
help you nobody can help you well it's

841
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,919
funny that you say that you'd be a

842
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,519
terrible guru because

843
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,960
i've never talked to you about this but

844
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,159
i'm sure

845
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,159
you get pulled into being a guru all the

846
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,600
time

847
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,159
i can only imagine so how do you how do

848
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,880
you balance that i guess would be one

849
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,120
question

850
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,760
uh well like anything uh i don't take

851
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:31,919
myself too seriously because i know most

852
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,600
of what i am is a construct 99 of who i

853
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:37,919
am has been programmed from

854
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,360
my hand gestures to my accent

855
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,399
to you know why do i like the bears if i

856
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,320
was the chicago bears

857
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,320
wouldn't i be more authentic if i liked

858
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,799
the team from like san diego or the

859
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:52,399
packard you know what i mean

860
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,519
so i try to just realize not to take

861
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,000
myself too seriously or reality in

862
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,640
itself so uh that's really the way and

863
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,799
of course there is the inner

864
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,799
there's that inner fire where i want

865
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,120
everybody to find their own bliss from

866
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,200
joseph campbell to find their own road

867
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:11,040
and that passion to help those who

868
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,079
suffer

869
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,399
keeps me humble in a lot of ways because

870
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,720
there's no time to sit on your laurels

871
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,919
or

872
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,240
get a big head about things i mean we

873
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,040
got to be moving fast here

874
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,440
great so miguel you've already mentioned

875
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,359
in the book it's coming out an audible

876
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,359
what else do we want to say about this

877
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,919
book 10 snackable meditations i i do

878
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,000
think people will really enjoy it you

879
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,119
can get a very good sense you can go

880
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,760
look inside and see if it's for you it's

881
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,119
really something

882
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,560
that you need to have on your kindle if

883
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:41,839
you keep your kindle with your your

884
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,639
phone or in your pocket because it can

885
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,560
be that kind of touchstone

886
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,639
bring me back to a good space kind of

887
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,000
thing what else we want to tell people

888
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,760
about it

889
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,679
well yeah and if you get the paper back

890
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,399
just put it in your back pocket

891
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,880
to use it i think we've covered a lot of

892
00:35:12,950 --> 00:34:59,760
it

893
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:12,960
thousands of years ago from tibetan

894
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,160
monks to new age guys to sales people

895
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,040
like we just talked about the brad leah

896
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,880
so it's a good it's a nice good

897
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,599
hodgepodge stew of the wisdom of the

898
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,640
ages

899
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,480
when it comes down to it nothing new

900
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,720
under the sun that's what all these

901
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,520
masters are saying just wake up

902
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,079
don't sweat the small temporal stuff

903
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,400
because it's all just temporal and at

904
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,839
the end of the day you're going to be

905
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,839
fine if you don't lose

906
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,000
sight of who you really are which is

907
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,800
just an eternal being you are an eternal

908
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,000
being that

909
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,400
somehow forgot and now thinks you are in

910
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,280
this uh temporal world or even worse in

911
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,200
the skeptical way somebody convinced you

912
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,680
you're a biological robot and now it's

913
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,920
just a universe of nihilism and

914
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,760
mechanism that's uh

915
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,359
that's pretty painful and you don't have

916
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:02,720
to be in pain

917
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,920
nice okay and i say that miguel because

918
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,240
i want to pivot a little bit

919
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,760
thanks again to miguel connor for

920
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,000
joining me today on skeptico as i was

921
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,320
just referencing you know there is a

922
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,880
second half to this interview it was

923
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,119
just so different than the first half

924
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:21,839
that i felt like i need to release it

925
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,640
as a second episode which i will do in a

926
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:27,520
few weeks but for now i thought we would

927
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,320
just

928
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,040
focus in on this great great interview

929
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:33,599
in this book that he did and i would tee

930
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,320
up

931
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,520
one question from this one which one of

932
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,480
miguel's meditations did you like best

933
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,040
did you most relate to

934
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,960
let me know anyway you find me i have a

935
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,200
bunch of new ways to kind of find me on

936
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,079
the skeptico website so go there more

937
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,000
ways to connect more ways to do things

938
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,800
that become part of i guess a community

939
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,200
of skeptical listeners so do check that

940
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,440
out if that sounds interesting to you i

941
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,200
got a lot more to come

942
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:04,320
until next time take care and bye for

943
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:06,030
now